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« on: November 23, 2005, 12:24:23 AM »

I spent a not inconsiderable sum doing a Celta course earlier this year. Against all advice from my tutors I took a job at a university in Beijing.

The teaching methods I learnt seem to be rather unpopular with my Chinese students (aged 18 to 20).

Various complaints include:
I don't spend enough time talking. Having had it drummed into me on the course that "teaching talking time" should be kept to an absolute minimum, I find students asking me to spend half of my lessons talking.
The reasons, they claim, are twofold:
1) You have to listen to a language before you can speak it.
2) It will give them the opportunity to try and mimic my accent.

The other piece of Celta methodology they have shown resistance to is putting them in groups to discuss whatever I've asked them to discuss. This have been described as boring and ineffective.

I know just because I've learnt current recommended teaching techniques is no guarantee I'm effecting them well but the logic behind them is, to me, self-evident.
There are various reasons why I don't want to spend an hour prattling away about whatever takes my fancy. Not least because as an experiment today I spent most of a lesson talking only to be greeted by the same surly, unmotivated faces.

I can't believe Celta is just plain wrong on the teacher talking time. Does anyone else have problems here? Particularly anyone teaching in China, where I think students have this notion that good teaching amounts to standing at the front talking.

Also, can anyone recommend a good textbook, as the book I've been issued with is not great (It's called Person to Person).

Sorry to write such a sprawling and unclear post.

Yours in growing frustration

Tom
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2005, 08:42:03 AM »

CELTA in fact is just plain insufficient for many purposes as the amount of time given to very central issues to teaching are given short shift due to time constraints.

CELTA is predicated on purely European assumptions of learning, educational environment, and motivation of students. And the methodology espoused in CELTA is, frankly speaking, just pitiful.

It's not surprising that you are having problems in your position.

First is the issue of the 'model'. Students need to be given a 'model' of not just the language used, but to a greater extent a model of the speaker, too. Given that Asian culture is quite different, this can be quite disconcerting, too.

Second, students at Univ. probably have never faced a foreign teacher before, so they have NO idea what is expected. That is a kind of freedom, you do not have to follow the preset dictums of a very "NARROW" spectrum of English teaching.

Third, students need to be encouraged, motivated, and challenged. I'm afriad that most ELT textbooks are incapable of most of these points since they are too taken up with mastery of linguistic items. For many students in University, who only have a few hours a week, this cannot be a priority. You must find ways to encourage their own taking responsibility for their learning of English, a hard thing to do.

The key thing to do with your students is to provoke thoughtful discussion in your classroom, then build the language elements around that.  Choose topics that are of DIRECT relevance to them, and create reasons for them to delevop and want to share their ideas with each other, and with you.

Don't put the language first, in short, put your students first.

Best Wishes
Kenneth
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2005, 08:51:53 AM »

I know you are having problems, but the best thing to do is find colleagues who are able to have a different perspective than you.

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